I just realized today that the Pyramid does not have a major or minor (or other) Pentatonic scale in Live mode or Scale FX, even though it has a lot of other interesting scales available. Is there a reason for this? It seems like a big omission of some very useful scales, especially for generative melodies and things.
Thanks!
There is blues scales they are pentatonic with a flat 5th arenāt they?? Could just omit using that noteā¦
Thatās a problem if youāre going for generative melodies. The various kinds of probability canāt account for things like that without proper scales.
Yeah, it seems like it wouldnāt be very hard to add a few scales to the Pyramid (there are 5 basic pentatonic modes, though even just the Major and Minor ones would be extremely useful), but Iām not sure if Squarp is still willing to do those sort of updates given their new attitude toward the Pyramid 
I still dream of being able to add user-made scales on the Pyramid, thatād be really fun, but Iām probably dreaming too muchā¦
Itās an old discussion. Long time ago, I send a message to Squarp team asking for user scales and /or for other scales and they responded that it was not difficult to program and that it was on their roads map. But since, no changes.
I donāt blame them, iām just a beat surprised. But maybe it will be donne, hope 
My wish would be to be able to set up 2 rows of smart pads, so youād have 2 octaves of a scale to work with at a time instead of 1
ā¦or the ability to trigger the Smartpads via PyraMIDI. The wishlist is endless ā I really hope we will see a new PyraOS soon.
User defined scales would be huge. Mind you, they all exist already but being able to define your own set would be truly great
I love the pentatonic sale and itās strange not to see it here when so many other scales are covered.
Agreed! Itās almost a staple of generative melodies, itād be so fun to have random Pentatonic notes played via midi fx!
It works great for me as I only have knowledge of rhythm and canāt play keys. With the pentatonic itās hard to go wrong 
Hitting only black notes works too. I know a music conservatory educated musician who composes like that, but he was very much a DJ when he was supposed to be doing his musical training.
Having it available on the Scale FX and Live mode would be much more flexible than just hitting black keys - like the example I gave, generating random pentatonic notes - it isnāt currently possible to do that because the scale is not available.
Pick any 5 notes(penta) you now have a penta tonic scale.Those 5 notes can reflect the entire harmony of your piece eg ā¦Cmin penta tonic CDEbFGA can be the only notes used over a Cblues progression .CFF#GBb can also be used.or DEFABā¦itās where ya place the notes within the structure to get your point across that mattersā¦the obvious is user scales as most modern synths and sequencers have that optionā¦Ok use your best Jeremy Clarkson voiceā¦Itās because itās French and they donāt like thatā¦
Iāve not tried thisā¦ but for generative/random pentatonic notes could you not use a combination of Harmonizer, Arp, Random and Chance FX?
The harmonizer will build up a five note chord with your intervals defined, the arp can randomize the order in which they are played and give you octaves up and down. Random can randomise your note lenghts and then chance can define whether the note sounds or not. You could switch out the random and put a delay effect in there too to double up some notes - Iād move that around in the FX chain until you get something you like.
Then iād put a few of the FX parameter on the assigns to keep the variation moving.
Guess you could do something similar on another track, set that as the master transpose and link this one to it.
You might get better results with a mono-synth or forcing monopoly.
Apologies if this sounds insane. Or is just not do-able. Iām not in a position to try this out before posting.
Or ditch the Harmonizer FX, programme a 5 note pentatonic āchordā and let the randomized arp etc. do the work. DUH!
I tried this and got some pleasing results.
You donāt have to be hostile. While this theoretically works, it is a needless workaround or band-aid for a deeper problem, the lack of a scale in the OS, which would be very easy to fix. I was only using random Pentatonic notes as an example - There are other uses for the Scale FX that cannot be solved by a harmonizer (for example, tuning existing non-pentatonic notes of a track to the Pentatonic scale is currently impossible), and it also doesnāt make up for the fact that it is not possible to utilize the Pentatonic scales in Live mode.
While your method works for that one purpose, it is inflexible and does not correct the core issue. I appreciate your attempts to help but Iād appreciate it if you were a bit more polite.
Hey hey sorry. I read my post again and I see that when you read āDuhā that might read like me having a go and saying āDuh thatās obvious, Stelpa!ā Itās not like that. I have zero interest in berating or pulling up on my fellow pyramid people.
The āDuhā is me addressing myself and what I wrote in my previous post about using the Harmonizer FX to create the āchordā from a single note when one could just programme the pentatonic āchordā, ditch the Harmonizer and save oneself an FX slot.
Stupidly, I didnāt think of that when I did the first post. So Iām just kicking/correcting myself.
I would never write anything hostile here. I love this place. I love my pyramid. I want nothing but positive, productive interactions here.
And you are totally right, pyramid has many many scales alreadyā¦not much to ask for a little five noter somewhere in the mix is it? Every other bit of gear I have that does scaling has major and minor pentatonics good to go. It is an omission as you rightly point out.
Maybe there is a combination of two or three existing Scale FX that would limit the note output to a pentatonic scale? Maybe a theory expert can contribute here? Still as you say, a band aid though.
Try the workaround if you get chance. I tweaked and tweaked til I got something I liked with the FX combo and was generatively pentatonically vibing for daaaaaaaays*
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*it was more like 20 mins but it felt like daaaaaaays.
Sorry for the delay in my response, @JimBrackpool - itās no big deal, I apologize for misreading you, weāre all good
And yeah, not to mention the fact that there are other interesting Pentatonic scales other than major or minor - user scales really would be the cure-all. But I will definitely play around with the random-pentatonic trick you mentioned, itās pretty clever and could create some fun stuff!
Thanks for the response, hope youāre well
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