Hi all, I recently posted a thread and deleted its contents as I thought I had fixed the issue, but the problem persists. I had a MK1 three years ago and now a MK2 and have been scratching my head each time with this problem.
My problem is in Live mode: When I’m playing live on the pads, I find it almost impossible to hit the first beat of a particular bar - the note almost always ends up on the final 16th note division of the previous bar.
So, if I want to do a chord change on bar 3, beat 1, I’ll play the note and when it plays back it will be on bar 2, beat 4 (last 16th note division). I have no idea why this is occurring, and I thought it was just my poor playing - but I change the quantize settings/turn it off, reduce the tempo to 80 BPM and still find it behaving this way. Surely my timing isn’t that bad.
As context, I’ve used plenty of hardware sequencers over the years, and have never experienced this level of consistent odd quantizing/note placement.
Is this a bug? Is there some workaround that I should know about (editing in Step mode so that note lengths are retained?)
I think this is likely due to two related things :
does not quantise recording , rather playback - so it always records at high resolution
When recording, it always stores notes with a positive offset, not negative.
Have you looked at the note offset ?
My guess is you’ll find it’s going to be 80-99%
This would mean you are playing a very short (= mSec) amount of time early. (*)
So you end up as beat 4 + 98% of a 1/16
My guess is you would expect to see this as beat 1 with - 2% offset. But the pyramid does not do this.
( yes id like this too, and I suspect other sequencers do this - but looks unlikely to change now?! )
However apart from ‘display’ it doesn’t really matter , it will replay as played, or will quantize correctly ( if enabled)
At least this what I’ve always put this down too, as I find I’m often off by +/- 5 to 10% , but perhaps my timing is off
(*) I tend to play slightly early , I guess anticipation
thetechnobear described my experience with this as well. If you enable the Quantizer effect on the track, does the note play on the first step/beat?
I will often enter step mode, go to the last step (being the early note from live recording) and select > to move it to the first step and adjust offset as needed. Or, I simply enable the Quantizer effect.
If you want to ‘reset’ the quantisation on the notes
the best way I’ve found is to :
- enable quant fx, at required grid size
- use consolidate track.
This will pull/push notes onto grid as expected.
if you have other fx , that you do not want to consolidate then you can copy the notes to a ‘spare’ track, do consolidate there , then copy the notes back - bit of a pain, but works
Thank you and technobear for your responses. This helps me understand a bit better how the Pyramid operates. When I use quantize effect the first step/beat is always in time (if I use count in), but it’s the following beats that are the problem.
I should know this, but how do you move the note recorded in live mode via the step mode? I’ll experiment a bit with note offset tonight to see if that helps.