Question About Sequencing The Analog Rytm MKII

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Hey everyone, I just got my Pyramid yesterday and while I’m still trying to wrap my head around everything, I’m enjoying it so far. I was using a Digitone before to sequence my gear.

So I have a Prophet Rev2, Minilogue xD, Digitone, and Analog Rytm MKII. I love the sequencer on the Analog Rytm and still plan to use it, but I want to take advantage of the Euclidian sequencing that the Pyramid offers.

So far, I have 12 different definition files for the Analog Rytm. I’ve done some research and read threads on this forum about using it with the Pyramid and found a definition file for the Rytm that supposedly uses just the auto channel, but I could not get it to trigger different tracks. I would have to manually change the track on the Rytm to get the Pyramid to play it.

I’m using Midi A for the Analog Rytm and the rest of my gear is on Midi B since the Rytm eats up so many channels.

Also, for controlling drums, does each sound go onto its own track? So I change tracks to choose the BD, SD, etc? I feel like I’m just making some beginner mistake and I don’t understand how to correctly set up a drum track or control the Rytm. I don’t mind using 12 midi channels for it, but I just want to see if there is a better way to do it.

Anyways, back to Loopop’s video on this thing. Thanks for your time!

The definition I found on here for the Analog Rytm that I found here is this:

NAME:RYTM
OUT:A
CHANNEL:14
3:NOTE
4:VELOCITY
5:LENGTH
11:SYN_TRIG
12:SMP_TRIG
13:ENV_TRIG
14:LFO_TRIG
95:TRK_LEVL
94:TRK_MUTE
93:TRK_SOLO
15:MACHINE
92:ACT_SCN
35:PERF_1
36:PERF_2
37:PERF_3
39:PERF_4
40:PERF_5
41:PERF_6
42:PERF_7
43:PERF_8
44:PERF_9
45:PERF_10
46:PERF_11
47:PERF_12
16:SYNTH_1
17:SYNTH_2
18:SYNTH_3
19:SYNTH_4
20:SYNTH_5
21:SYNTH_6
22:SYNTH_7
23:SYNTH_8
24:SMP_TUNE
25:SMP_FINE
26:SMP_BIT
27:SMP_SLOT
28:SMP_STRT
29:SMP_END
30:SMP_LOOP
31:SMP_LEVL
70:FLTR_ATK
71:FLTR_DCY
72:FLTR_SUS
73:FLTR_REL
74:FLTR_FRQ
75:FLTR_RES
76:FLTRMODE
77:FLTR_ENV
78:AMP_ATK
79:AMP_HOLD
80:AMP_DCY
81:AMP_ODR
82:AMP_DEL
83:AMP_REV
10:AMP_PAN
7:AMP_VOL
102:LFO_SPD
103:LFO_MULT
104:LFO_FADE
105:LFO_DEST
106:LFO_WAV
107:LFO_PHS
108:LFO_TRIG
109:LFO_DEP

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first thing, I think we should be clear on … you dont NEED to use an instrument definition.
they pretty much just are ‘shortcuts’, and provide things like text descriptions for CCs.
(and binding to midi outputs and channel)
they do NOT add any functionality which you cannot do ‘manually’

SO… as you are beginning, at first do NOT use them… it just complicates things … as its likely obfuscating some (midi) details that you need to be aware and also you want to try different things with.

instead, first try controlling the Rhym with a plain track, and no instrument def
(you can come back to instrument defs once you have it working)

you set a track to one midi channel, so if you set the auto channel on Rhym, and then use that on track output for a pyramid track… then it will send the midi to the active ‘track’ on the Rhym.
frankly, this is not very useful for sequencing… (in most circumstances)
it’s really designed for external controllers.

this depends !
if the Rytm only supports midi channel → pad mapping, then use its the only way.

however, MANY drum machines also support some kind of NOTE to pad mapping. e.g. C3->BD , D3->SD etc. - then you only need one channel for all drums
the disadvantage of this approach, is you cannot change the pitch of the drums, or have individual CC drum automation…

this is why many drum machines support both…
for ‘simple’ use-cases the note mapping is best, since you just use one midi channel, and send different notes.

for more complex cases, where you want to modulate individual pad parameters via midi, then the multi channel approach is used.

I dont have a Rythm , but Im pretty sure my Octatrack supports both approaches in its midi implementation… i.e. supports ‘trigs’ on one channel, but modulation requires multi channel.

Probably your best to ask these kinda questions on Elektronauts, as its not particular to Pyramid.

anyway, once you have got this working with different tracks… setting midi channels etc.
then you can ‘code’ into instrument defs.

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had a quick look at the Rhym manual…

looks very similar midi implementation to octatrack ,
so supports separate channels for automation BUT you can trig all voices on a single midi channel

see p22, 8.6 MIDI NOTES, and p99 App C 8 midi note triggers in manual.

I know it doesn’t read super clear, but on the Octatrack I figured it out easy enough by just playing with it.
just use LIVE mode on pyramid, and ensure you are on the right midi channel and right OCTAVE!
(like most things, the Octatrack is even more obtuse that new Electrons so you should figure it out)

IF not, again, Id assume this has been discussed a lot on elektronauts … just look for anyone triggering from an external controller.
(the Pyramid or any external sequencer is a red-herring … its all just midi !)

IIRC with the octatrack what I do is…
turn OFF all midi channel for ALL tracks
turn ON , active channel, (e.g. channel 16) then sends notes (from manual) on the active channel.

this usually, enough for my needs… as I tend to do modulation on the Octatrack itself… so just one a bit of ‘remote control’ for triggering.

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Ah ha!! That’s it! I was looking at the manual but in the wrong spot. That makes things much clearer. Thank you so much for your time!

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