Offsetting tracks on Pyramid to better align instruments?

Hi everyone,

Running a DAWless live setup. I run all of my drums/percussion/atmos via my 404sx (looped sections of tracks, triggered by patterns on Squarp + I also hit one shot samples directly from the 404), and everything else is live hardware.

Running the following setup:
Pyramid Out A --> Dave Smith Mopho --> Prophet --> Moog Mother
Pyramid Out B --> Roland SP404sx
CV Out --> Eurorack

ISSUE:
The 404sx seems to sit behind the beat, which subsequently makes any complex euclidean patterns/arpeggiators sound not that great when everything is in together.

  • Is there a way to offset tracks, rather than offsetting steps in step mode? If I must do it via step mode, what’s the most efficient way to go about this (i.e. grab entire pattern).
  • Is there a midi setting that I maybe need to try?

Thanks :slight_smile:

Iti

A nudge function even down to the 1ms level would be awesome.

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If a native solution isn’t available, you could always use an external hardware clock and adjust from there…?

Set the SP404 a little ahead (or rather, everything else a bit behind)

https://www.e-rm.de/multiclock/

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This would not be the answer. The idea is to micro-align sequences to account for timing idiosyncrasies of each piece of hardware in the chain, so that if a particular piece of gear has an inherent latency in its processing, like a sampler going through its own effects buss, this can then be accounted for with a slight advance in the track. Likewise very precise swings can be created, that were previously only attainable using cleverly placed silence in samples and rock solid clock (i.e. MPC3000 grooves of legend). Depending on what the internal clock resolution and source are, 1024 PPQ or finer resolutions might be attainable. The other question of course is clock deviation. Would someone be willing to determine this?

Perhaps I misspoke. It may be a solution… and it seems like a dope ass unit, but it’s kind of a band-aid. Having the parameter available internally in the Pyramid would be a preferable solution. However, good looking out.

Thanks for getting back to me! It’s not really an option for me, at this stage, to purchase another midi clock (at approx the same price as the pyramid), to do what the Pyramid’s clock should do.
Thinking I will just have to push back other tracks a tad, just because I’m unsure other options I have at this point!

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Slightly advancing or delaying individual tracks would be a great new feature. Perhaps squarp will consider implementing at some stage!

I actually just sent an email requesting this feature to the development team, less than a minute ago.

As did I! Jean said the team would discuss it, so hopefully it might be something implemented in the near future :slight_smile:

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I own a multiclock. It’s an amazing bit of gear. Expensive but ultimately completely necessary if you use a DAW and multiple external devices. Never used it standalone with the Pyramid though. It keeps my gear tight with my DAW

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are your samples in the 404sx properly trimmed?

yes indeed - trimmed cleanly via DAW and loaded onto pads via SD Card :slight_smile:

Weirdly I have had the exact problem with my SP404sx on pyramid midi out B. It seems like some drum samples trigger late so I have to nudge them earlier. I always thought this was the fault of the 404 as it has to be last in the midi chain because it doesn’t have a midi out or thru.

Currently, the only way to offset is by sliding the sequence forward or back by one note division of your choosing, the smallest increment being a 64th note, by zooming in to 16x. That was a workaround from the development team, but I think they may be on the case, because it seems to be a popular and reasonable request.

it’s a weird one, but I love the 404 nonetheless!

I’ve found that if I move the 404’s respective steps forward (i.e. 1/64th before step 1), the pad won’t trigger until the sequence restarts. I’m triggering singular pads with consolidated percussive and ambient parts, rather than individual pads with percussive elements, so this method isn’t ideal for me unfortunately.
My current workaround is highlighting all steps in step mode (per track), and offsetting them. Approx -27% has everything sitting nicely.
This works perfectly, with the only issue being that Euclidean rhythms can’t be offset, which means I have to consolidate my euclidian tracks. It means I can’t freestyle with rhythms as easily, however it’ll do me fine while Squarp works on a track offset function (hopefully).
The team seemed receptive to my request, and I must say, I’m very pleased with how community orientated Squarp is, so I’m confident something will be worked out :slight_smile:

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