Is anyone sequencing a Syntakt from the Hapax?

Hello,

I use a Hapax to sequence most of my gear, I love it. I’m looking to get a Syntakt as it sounds like a great drum machine and mono synth, but I was wondering if it works like the Digitakt where you can use the 8 tracks (12 on the Syntakt) on just 1 of the Hapax tracks?

Thanks

i sequence my Digitone from Hapax but probably not in the way most other Elektron users do it. just one Hapax channel (MIDI track) for each of the four Digitone “voices” so not even touching the Digitone sequencer, trigs, or sound pool or whatever. just a 1:1 four Hapax → four Digitone channels/tracks. it’s fine that way for me

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I’ve got my Syntakt set up so it can be sequenced via the Hapax (+ on its own). Also have the OG Digitakt.

The way I generally work with the Syntakt is:

  • Set up the Hapax definition file in advance so drum voices are clearly specified.
  • Parts 1 through 4 & 9 through 12 are set to a Hapax drum track.
  • Syntakt parts 5 through 8 are separate Hapax columns.

It’s still possible to use a part set up for a drum voice as a synth voice, think of 808 kicks played as a pitched bass synth.

The Digitakt is set up similarly with voice 1 through 4 being drum parts, 5 & 6 for mono synth voices, 7 & 8 being slice voices for resampling & break beats.

The reason why I do this is because I’m lazy at saving stuff beyond user presets in the Syntakt. With the Hapax I’m saving drum patterns there & that’s enough.

Alternatively you can also use the lowest octave on a single Hapax track for playing each ‘takt voice like a standard drum machine.

A downside to sequencing an Elektron box with the Hapax (or any external sequencer) is losing a few options for mangling sounds. Not a dealbreaker for the workflow though.

At least running both means you can still do simple TR style step sequencing via Hapax & complex manipulation via the Elektron box.

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I have done that too, so nice to use the features on the Hapax controlling the DN.

I need to learn the pattern and song mode better on the Hapax though, it does so much I end up playing with the effects, lfo, generator too much :smiley:

Now I like that setup where you have 4 digital and 4 analogue setup within the drum single channel like the DT does. I do have a OG DT too, but I don’t use samples too much and have less time lately to keep searching for samples to use and manage them. I much prefer to create sounds like on the DN or my Peak. However I do want a Tempera or S4 one day as I love ambient. Then again I recenly added my old iPad to a channel on the Hapax too which blue my mind on what you can add there with all the synths and effects apps etc.

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The thing with the Hapax sadly is:
the 8 part tracks can’t sequence pitch, they’re just trigger sequencers but that’s hopefully to change in a FW update. Because otherwise sequencing one of my Elektrons just doesn’t make much sense to me (like I’d love to be able to use some generative features, some euclidian generators on them). That’s one strength of the Oxi One for me still, that their 8 part tracks are in itself full mono sequencer tracks each!

What someone above said however sounds like a good idea: use Hapax as a modulation sequencer, rather than for the actual sound sequence. The Elektron sequencer in itself is just too fucking good and it’s almost blasphemy to now use it :slight_smile:

I’m sequencing a Syntakt and Digitakt2 with my Hapax.

I have it set up like this:
Syntakt tracks 1-12 on individual Hapax tracks 1-12 - On Proj A.
Digitakt2 tracks 1-12 on individual Hapax tracks 1-12 - On Proj B.

By putting everything on its own track it gives me access to all the effects and automations per track.
As someone else mentioned, the drum tracks aren’t all the feature heavy right now, and I can’t really do much with them. At least compared to an Elektron sequencer.

I then use the mix/mute view to mute and unmute parts to perform.
I like to do it like this so then i have all parts and patterns in one place/on one device for both my instruments.
Makes it easier to recall entire projects/songs.

I do kind of lose the aspect of the “dual projects” but honestly I kind of make tracks with patterns anyways. If I’m constructing a set, the 16 pattern variations per project is plenty.

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Sorry I missed this reply, so do you not use the drum track and still use the sequencer on the DT2/SN for that part to get the added feature of those Elektrons like parameter locking etc?

I actually don’t use the sequencer on my Elektron boxes anymore, since I’m using the hapax.

Yeah, at first, I thought I was losing the feature of parameter locks, however the automation tab on the hapax makes up for it.

(This is why I don’t use the drum mode on hapax, automation lanes are per track, so in drum mode, the automation is effecting all the drums on the track. Sometimes I only want an effect on the snare maybe).

I just set up an automation lane and draw in my curve. Then just specify which parameter I want it to affect. If I just want the automation to be just on one step, I just set my curve to be on one step, and I’m done.

Obviously this process is easier on thier respective boxes. But, again, I want everything in one place.

Alternatively, you can put trigless trigs on your Elektron boxes and put some p-locks on that, and then use it kind of as a “fill” button but with whatever p-locks you chose.

Hope that makes some sense.

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Love this idea!

I personally would love different note values on drum tracks, that would make devices like the Syntakt a bit more manageable.

Alas, the syntakt is overall a thankful device, one could automate the fx track, so at least some filtering can be automated with standard patterns, to roll in some drums.

not Syntakt specifically but the new Digitone II feels like it would be a great fit with Hapax: 16 tracks, adding the wavetone generator and dedicated FM Drum machine in addition to traditional Digitone FM. in theory, you could just have a DII and Hapax and not need anything else

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Totally agree there! My Digitone 2 arrives today. I’ve got the Digitakt 1 and Novation Peak, so I’m covered for a long time I think.

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I also think we should be able to sequence different notes for drum instruments too. (eg midi channel defines the drum instrument in that case, and the notes are chromatic play).

This allows you to overcome the 16 track limitation as well, which is reasonable given that you can output 16 different channels each over 4 ports (plus a 5th and 6th port if you count the USB ports)

Another way of “sequencing” that I’m wondering if anyone pulls off successfully: Changing patterns multiple times on the syntakt within a single pattern on the hapax. Basically using automation to send program change CCs on the hapax so I can cycle through a few different patterns on the syntakt within a single hapax pattern.

Seems like it could be useful to work that way. I tried this in the past with the octatrack but didn’t quite get the hang of it, felt a little bit messy to automate the PC right before the end of the pattern where I want the switch to happen. Maybe just need to get used to it.

In the works!
To be frank, it’s been bugging me as well, I’ve just never had the time to get to it until recently :sweat_smile:

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