How does quantizing work on the Hapax I’m confused

Hello,

I come from the Elektron workflow on the Digitakt and Digitone and enjoy the easy quantizing across their 16 pads, the key will stap in nicely when enabled.

I’m trying to understand it on the Hapax and get it set up in a similar way, but it never feels like anything is quantized. I record a short melody live so naturally times will be off and I like to enable quantise to fix that, but nothing seems to change if I enable a quantize of 1/16 before I record a melody or after.

What am I doing wrong here?

Quantize on Hapax is non-destructive: it doesn’t actually change the recorded notes, but it will quantize the output of it.

You can do something that comes close to destructive quantizing by holding the ALL button to select all notes and then hold the uTime parameter to snap the start position of all notes to the grid. This will actually shift the whole note though, so the end position of the note moves too. This can potentially result in unwanted outcomes, as this may change wether a note overlaps with another note or not.

Hopefully Squarp will add a proper destructive quantizing function in the future…

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Thanks for your reply.

So is the destructive quantizing function like how the Elektrons do it?

What I struggle with is recording a melody live and it will be off time in areas and when using the Elekton device like the Digitone, it would sort that as I’d have quantising enabled (before or after recording) and it would sort this timing issue for me and make it all sound in time.

Is there no way yet to do this do you think? I can step mode and manually key on notes, but not as fun and quick.

Thanks

Please fill in the contact form to suggest this feature. I did as well, but the more people asking for this, the higher the chance they will implement it :slight_smile:

maybe i’m getting something wrong… what exactly do you expect?
When you enable quantize (2nd + Track) you can set quantize to 1/64 etc and how strongly in percentage it should quantize.
This will affect your recorded notes playback.

The second option is to change all notes as described before here by Maarten.

I think if I’m understanding correctly here you’re talking about “input quantise” or “record quantise” rather than output/playback quantise.

So for example, “record quantise” or “input quantise”:
If you are recording and you play a note, it won’t place the note on the grid part way between steps where you played it, but rather on the closest quantised location (eg at the start of a 16th note step if you have record quantise set to 16th notes. Then when you go back and look at the recorded pattern, you will only see quantised notes.

On the hapax, you have playback/output quantise. So you want to set the track quantise to whatever value you choose (eg 1/16), and strength to 100%.if you only want notes to appear on quantised intervals.

Say you’re on 16 steps for a 1 bar pattern, and 16th note quantise in hapax,
if you are recording and play a note a quarter of the way between steps 1 and 2, it will record it on the grid as step 1, + 1/4 of a step value of microtiming.

When it plays back, it will play back on step 1 without microtiming if hapax quantise strength is 100%

The resultant playback will be the same as if you had 16th note input/record quantise enabled on a different device. The only time it will sound ‘wrong’ or ‘different’ between the hapax and the other quantising device, is if you record a note closer to step 2 than step 1. Say if you play the note at step 1 + 3/4 of a step, it will play back at step 2.

In the case of input quantise/record quantise devices, how it records the note depends on the device you’re recording to and how they’ve implemented it.

Some will record the note to the previous closest step, eg if you play the note late, but step 2 hasn’t begun yet, it will always think you meant to play on step 1, even if the note you played was closer to step 2 than step 1.
Then alternately, some will record the note on the actual closest step to where you played, eg if you play the note late, but closer to step 2 than step 1, it will place the note on step 2.

Case 2, where it records to the closest step regardless of if that step is ahead or behind where you play, will result in the exact same playback timing as the hapax, except that in the hapax you can reduce the strength of the quantise effect, or change the quantise size, after the fact of recording. This is why it’s called “non destructive” - because all the timing information of your initial performance is still saved in the pattern, you just choose how it is played back by adjusting quantise.

Some devices have both input/record quantise AND output/playback quantise. So you could record your input to the closest 32nd note, then play it back to the closest 16th note.

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Wow what a wonderful and helpful reply, thank you. I’ve read this a couple of times too :slight_smile:

I’m saving this to my notes!

Out of interest what gear do you sequence?

Glad I could be of assistance!
I sequence lots of stuff, and have owned many midi sequencers over the years. I have been on a mission to find “the holy grail” if you will. Up until recently I was quite disappointed with what was available vs. what I actually wanted to do, but current gear is getting close to satisfying me now - the Hapax is the closest I own for now, although I’ve yet to try the oxi one which is definitely in the same ballpark Then there is the torso t-1 that encapsulates a lot of what I want to do, although misses out on some other features.

My main interest is in writing fairly simple lines/patterns/chord progressions, then splitting that to multiple midi tracks and applying midi effects to make it unique, alter it in realtime with things like rhythmic/timing variations, arpeggios, harmonisers, MIDI LFOs, euclidean rhythms, etc.

In terms of what I sequence - synths, samplers, fx, everything haha. I’m also working on ways to combine visual generation.
I play a bit of keyboard, as a means of coming up with ideas, but as I’m trying to be more of a live conductor than an instrument virtuoso, I’m more interested in doing things with lines once they’ve been sequenced. I have looked at live looping midi , but find that once the track is recorded, I still want the ability to alter it in realtime. The problem of course is balancing things like staying in scale/key/rhythm, with being not boring.

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