I just got my Hapax and I’m learning my way around it. I’ve been looking everywhere, both in the manual and on this forum for an answer to my question: is it possible to run different divisions on each track? I want to be able to run one track at 1/16 and another at 1/4 for example. With the Oxi One, this is a simple operation. But I haven’t been able to find a way to do this with the Hapax. Maybe I’m misreading something somewhere. Is is this possible?
2 Likes
(secondary track settings)
You can use track elasticity (hit the BPM button, edit the percentage). As far as I know with the current firmware you can only set this in terms of percentage, so can’t just flick through fixed options like 1/4, 1/8 etc, but the upside is you have access to every option in between.
This would be great. I’ve also put in a feature request for the track elasticity where if you turn the encoder while holding 2nd it would jump to “musical” percentages (50%, 66.66%, 75%, 80%, etc…).
One thing I have noticed, however, is that percentages under 100% seem to lock in timing but over 100% and I start to notice a little drift when trying to achieve polymeters that stay sync.
I just started another topic for this; essential feature IMO. Disappointed Hapax doesn’t have such a simple thing already. Is this on the roadmap? I’d like to use time elasticity as a more abstract, Steve Reich thing, but it would be more important to actually play the tracks at different musical divisions. I think it should be separate from the elasticity.
1 Like
Yeah, I hate to be that guy who says “Sequencer X has this feature, why can’t Hapax?”. But this seems like such a simple ask. Not only does the Oxi One have this option, even the super basic no-frills step sequencer on the Ableton Push allows each track to run on a different division. I hope to see this in a future update. As far as I can tell, time elasticity is a different thing altogether.
4 Likes
Elasticity is exactly the same, except it is in percentages. This has the advantage that you can not only set different fixed divisions, but also everything in between. Just halve the elasticity % to go from 1/16 to 1/8, etc.
3 Likes
I experience quite a bit of drift when using percentages. Polymeters fall apart within a minute of playback, which I assume is due to rounding errors
I wonder if specific clock divisions would help with that
3 Likes
To be frank here:
I honestly don’t like to math during jamming and just want to quickly dial in 1/3 or 6/8 instead of stopping it all and pull out a calculator what percentage might be what
10 Likes
Preach!
While we’re at it, is it possible to add the ability to change clock divisions per midi output channel so that gear being clocked to Hapax but not sequenced by hapax can be sent a division of the master clock?
2 Likes
Having used the Oxi One pretty extensively, too, divisions per track is practically the only thing I’m missing from it… So, I need to +1 this
2 Likes
I’d also like this feature.
The problem with elasticity in percentage, is for people doing live performances. I can’t instantly change it from 100% to 25%. I also can’t select exactly 1/3 ie: 33.3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333…etc. %
I’m waiting for my Hapax to arrive, and I was wondering the same.
Percentage looks nice, but in most situations, I’d rather use a ratio.
1 Like
100% agreed
Option to have time divisions and multiplications per track is a must have.
I traded the oxi for hapax and is one of the features I miss the most.
Also ability to change the CC names in the assignment window when editing them manually (instead of instrument definitions) is also relevant imho.
More ideas will come.
Just have it for a week.
Devs, can you please let us know if you are working on any of this ?
1 Like
When I started this thread, I had no idea that it would get this much feedback. At the time, I missed the ability that I had on the Oxi One to not only run discrete divisions per track, but to also change from one division to another after recording. For example, changing a recorded sequence from 16th notes to 8th notes.Over the past few months, however, as I’ve played around with Hapax, I’ve come to the conclusion that I like Hapax the way it is and I hope they don’t offer divisions per track as I originally outlined.
This first occurred to me when I was switching between my Oxi One and the step sequencer on my Ableton Push. The Hapax is more similar to the Push than it is to the Oxi One. What I like about the sequencers on the Hapax (and Push) is that they are “division agonstic”. Which is to say that you can easily have 1/4 notes, 1/8th notes, 1/16 notes, etc all at the same time on a particular sequence. This is not the case with the Oxi One. With the Oxi One, you can only have all 8th notes or only have all 16th notes on each sequence. While this does make it easier to run different divisions simultaneously (which is actually already kinda possible on the Hapax as has been outlined) and to change the divisions of a sequence post recording (not possible on the Hapax because it is agnostic to note divisions), what is sacrifised in the process is the ability to have multiple divisions within the same sequence.
Yes, it is technically possible to have multiple divisions within the same sequence on the Oxi One. If you’ve decided that you are starting with a quarter note sequencer, you can select two notes for a half note or 4 notes for a whole note. But let’s say you decide to start with a quarter note sequence but decide that you want to sprinkle in a few 16th notes? Not possible. You could always decide to start with a 16th note sequencer as the default. But now if you want a whole note you will have to select 16 notes every time you want a whole note,4 for every quarter, etc. After awhile, this can become very tedious. Because the Hapax is division “agnostic”, this becomes a streamlined process. If I want to start with quarter notes, for example, adding in 16th notes is simple. I just switch to 16th notes and punch in a few. I’m no longer limited to quarter notes being the division “ceiling” (assuming that’s where I start) as I would on the Oxi One. This allows me to create more varied and interesting sequences than I’m able to on the Oxi One.
Anyway, I’m not expecting that this will change anyone’s mind. But I just that I’d share why I’ve had a change of heart and want the Hapax to stay as is!
3 Likes
i didn’t know this was a workflow characteristic for the OO, greatly appreciate the context 